OneStat.com Web Analytics MMATorch.com - UFC News and MMA News and Commentary Since 1993
MMATorch.com
CONTACT US FORUM
SEARCH PWTORCH


MMATORCH VIP MEMBER LOG-IN

Username:
Password:


VIP SIGN-UP PAGE
ELIMINATE ALL ADS, GET EXCLUSIVE CONTENT - JUST $2.99 A MONTH - $19.99 A YEAR



Enter "MMATorch.com" in your phone's browser to get custom mobile version of this site!

Or click here to get our MMATorch Apple App (New 11/22!)

MMATorch Apple App Icon


AFFILIATE SITEPWTORCH.com


AFFILIATE SITEprowrestling.net
THE BEST IN PRO WRESTLING NEWS

 

Opinion & Analysis : Roundtables

SATURDAY ROUNDTABLE: Q: What's next for Coleman if he wins? What's next for Couture if he loses? (pt. 2 of 2)


Feb 6, 2010 - 8:04:42 PM

We have brought back the popular MMATorch Roundtable feature. Most days we will publish a question followed by several staff members' answers. We will run several batches of staff responses to the following question over the next several days, and then introduce a new topic after that.




TODAY'S NEW TOPIC:

-If Mark Coleman beats Randy Couture convincing, what's your pick for Coleman's next fight? And Couture?

===

SHAWN ENNIS, MMATORCH COLUMNIST

Should Coleman win, it would be his biggest victory since he beat Igor Vovchanchyn ten years ago to win the Pride Grand Prix. Just throwing that out there. I say he wouldn't be as close to a title shot as Couture, but in reality if the UFC wanted to see Coleman vie for a title, he'd have to do it soon.

So if he were to take Couture out, and if the goal is a title shot, a fight between Coleman and the winner of Griffin-Lil Nog would make sense. You could also go with the loser of Rashad-Rampage, but the former makes more sense as a possible title eliminator (at first glance). As for Couture if he loses, well... how about Tito Ortiz? Okay, so my answers are the same for both scenarios. I can't help it if they both make sense, right?

===

GREG ROWLAND, MMATORCH AUDIO HOST

If Coleman wins, keep him on the retirement circut. Let him fight the winner or Tito vs. Liddell. Hell, let him fight one of those two even if he loses.

===

WESLEY WALKER, MMATORCH SPECIALIST

If Coleman were to win at UFC 109 a lot of avenues open up for the former heavyweight champion. Even with an impressive win, he is not in line for a title shot in my mind unless Shogun win the title that way we can end another trilogy. Another opponent with a win at UFC 109 could be his original opponent at UFC 106, Tito Ortiz, or if Chuck Liddell wins and still decides to fight, he could be an opponent for Mark Coleman in another hall of famer matchup.

===

AIDAN LEAHY, MMATORCH CONTRIBUTOR

If Coleman wins convincingly I would like to see him go against fellow wrestler Matt Hamill or even the winner of Chuck and Tito. A loss for Randy against Coleman would have people questioning him fighting on, but a match up of former champions with Rich Franklin would interest me.

===

BJORN HANSEN, MMATORCH COLUMNIST

If Mark Coleman destroys Couture it’ll be his biggest victory in over a decade, and would put him right in to the mix of things in the light heavyweight division.

Instead of waiting for Tito, I could see the UFC pushing him to wait for Chuck, if he wins. I think the UFC wants Chuck in fights that he doesn’t risk getting knocked unconscious in, while still fighting a big name. It would mark the second time two UFC Hall of Famers entered the Octagon to battle (with UFC 109 obviously being the first.)
If Couture’s chin does indeed shatter into a million pieces like precious broken china, I would HAVE to see him against Rich Franklin. They’re both at the twilight of their careers, and have both voiced their desires to have "interesting fights." It’s easily Main Event or Co-Main Event status.

===

ROBERT TEAL, MMATORCH SPECIALIST

If Coleman were to pull off the upset and beat Randy, I think his situation would not be too different from Randy’s. I believe he would be a fight away and that both of these warriors are fighting for a spot to face either Rampage or Rashad for the number one contender position.

I do think that if Randy were to lose he would get slightly more favorable treatment as far as opponents go. I think it would be likely we would get a matchup of Randy versus whoever loses the Machida Shogun title fight. At the very least he gets the loser of Evans vs. Rampage.

===

LANE BRADFORD, MMATORCH CONTRIBUTOR

If Coleman wins, like most people, I would like to see him fight Tito. It's a matchup that has to happen for the same Rampage-Evans reason - too much talk. Coleman regardless will never get a title push and Tito would probably be the biggest name he gets. If not Ortiz, I would take a fight between him and Hamill. It would be a passing of the guard essentially, even though I believe Hamill is more well-rounded than Coleman ever was. All their abilties and success come from pure wrestling.

===

JAMIE PENICK, MMATORCH EDITOR-IN-CHIEF

Coleman won't get the title shot that Couture would with a dominating victory, but I'd give him a top tier challenger, that's for sure. We've got some major fights ahead on the light heavyweight landscape, most notable Forrest Griffin vs. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira and Rashad Evans vs. Quinton "Rampage" Jackson.

Should Coleman pick up a major victory over Couture I'd toss him the winner of Griffin-Nogueira, as the Evans-Rampage winner may get the next title shot then. For Couture, a dominating loss may lead to a second retirement, but at the same time he's stated he feels better now than at other times in his career and he could choose to continue fighting.

Because he's Randy Couture, it would mean only bigger named fights going forward, and, with a loss to Coleman, I would not be surprised if he took some time off and returned to face the loser of the Liddell-Ortiz III fight from this summer in a rematch of their past light heavyweight clashes.

===

Click to access a list of all recent Roundtables. (App users, please choose the "OPINION" option on the menu at the bottom of your screen.)

===

UPCOMING TOPICS

Our next batch of Roundtable Topics to be addressed over the next week or two are as follows (so keep coming back to MMATorch every day for this and more exclusive features):

-Who are the two or three current Strikeforce fighters (other than Fedor) you'd be most intrigued to see acquired by UFC. What match-ups would you make from those acquisitions?

-Who are the two or three current UFC fighters you'd be most intrigued to see leave UFC for whatever reason (perhaps not being given a fair shake, already fought everyone, hit a ceiling, etc.) and be acquired by Strikeforce. What match-ups would you make from those acquisitions?

-Would you prefer Strikeforce in two years was out of business, close to UFC's equal (in revenue, ratings, buyrates, talent roster), or had surpassed UFC (assuming UFC stays static in the mean time)? Why?

-Should UFC add a women's fighting division?

-What would you do to try to make WEC successful on PPV, even if in general you disagree with WEC going on PPV? In other words, what advice would you give to Zuffa assuming they were open to some outside-the-box or aggressive marketing ideas?

[Mark Coleman photo credit Mike Lano (c) MMATorch]

CLICK HERE FOR MORE UFC NEWS AND MMATORCH EXCLUSIVE FEATURES

Help support MMATorch by answering a brief anonymous demographic survey: CLICK HERE

Comment on this article below ad...






(CLICK FOR COMMENTS RULES OR TO REPORT ABUSE)

Comments

No comments yet
*Name:
Email:
Notify me about new comments on this page
Hide my email
*Text:
Security Image:

Visual CAPTCHA


 

(CLICK FOR COMMENTS RULES OR TO REPORT ABUSE)

CLICK TO RETURN TO MAIN LISTING
OR CHOOSE SPECIFIC CATEGORY LISTING FROM DROP MENU

More Roundtables Articles
ROUNDTABLE (pt. 4 of 4): What are the worst instances of a fighter receiving an unearned Title shot? Bradford, Park, Schielke
ROUNDTABLE (pt. 3 of 4): What are the worst instances of a fighter receiving an unearned Title shot? Carter, Leet, DeBar and Penick
ROUNDTABLE (pt. 2 of 4): What are the worst instances of a fighter receiving an unearned Title shot? Ennis, Perez, Walker, Schwartzbard
ROUNDTABLE (pt. 1): What are the worst instances of a fighter receiving an unearned Title shot? Williams, Shelby, Amadi and Hobaugh
ROUNDTABLE (pt. 3 of 3): Would it be better for MMA for Strikeforce to grow or go out of business? Keller, Walker, Shelby, Matthew, Teal, Schwartzbard
ROUNDTABLE (pt. 1 of 3): Would it be better for MMA for Strikeforce to grow or go out of business? Penick, Perez, Debar, Hyden, Rowland, Amadi
ROUNDTABLE (pt. 3 of 3): Should UFC add a Women's Division as Strikeforce has done? Keller, Teal, O'Donnell, Schwartzbard, Carter
ROUNDTABLE (pt. 2 of 3): Should UFC add a Women's Division as Strikeforce has done? Pelkey, Walker, Amadi, Leet, Shelby
ROUNDTABLE (pt. 3 of 3): Which fighters would be most intriguing to see jump from UFC to Strikeforce? Penick, Hyden, Debar, Rowland, Leet
ROUNDTABLE (pt. 1 of 3): Should UFC add a Women's Division as Strikeforce has done? Penick, Perez, DeBar, Hyden, Rowland, Matthew
ROUNDTABLE (pt. 2 of 3): Which fighters would be most intriguing to see jump from UFC to Strikeforce? Keller, Williams, Schwartzbard, Carter, Shelby, O'Donnell
ROUNDTABLE (pt. 1): Which fighters would you be most intrigued to see jump from UFC to Strikeforce? Pelkey, Teal, Matthew, Perez, Walker
UFC 110 RESULTS analyzed by the MMATorch Staff Roundtable (part 2): Williams, Sutcliffe, Perez, Shelby rate and review event
UFC 110 RESULTS analyzed by the MMATorch Staff Roundtable (part 1): Pelkey, Amadi, Leet, Schwartzbard
UFC 110 ROUNDTABLE PREDICTIONS: Noguiera vs. Velasquez (pt. 2 of 2): Picks on who'll win and why from Keller, Ennis, Bradford, Schwartzbard, Carter, Debar, Shelby
UFC 110 ROUNDTABLE PREDICTIONS (pt. 1 of 2): Noguiera vs. Velasquez - mixed opinions on who's going to win from Amadi, Leet, Hyden, Perez, Hansen, Williams
UFC 110 ROUNDTABLE PREDICTIONS: Bisping vs. Silva Picks from Keller, Amadi, Hyden, Leet, Perez
UFC 110 ROUNDTABLE PREDICTIONS: Silva vs. Bisping Picks from Williams, Bradford, Schwartzbard, Carter, DeBar
THURSDAY ROUNDTABLE: Which Strikeforce fights would you most like to see jump to UFC, and who should they fight? Pelkey, Matthew, Shelby, Teal, Leet, Bradford (pt. 3 of 3)
WEDNESDAY ROUNDTABLE: Which Strikeforce fights would you most like to see jump to UFC, and who should they fight? Perez, DeBar, Walker, Hyden, Rowland, Amadi

(c) 1999-2010 TDH Communications Inc. - All rights reserved.


STAFF PICKS - TOP TEN ARTICLES
PENICK: Scott Coker shouldn't leave the door open for Jose Canseco
UFC NEWS FLASHBACK (2 Yrs. Ago): Dana White says EliteXC deal with CBS isn't concern to him, says Mark Cuban doesn't care about MMA
AMADI: A response to reactions on MMA matchmaking article
NOW AVAILABLE: MMATorch Sunday Livecast this weekend - 2nd edition of live Internet call-in show with Penick & Pelkey
MMATorch Interview (exclusive): Bas Rutten talks about evolution of MMA, turning points, his career choices, judging rules, more
ENNIS (Flashback 2006): Pride vs. UFC: Which Aspects of Each Promotion Would You Keep?
BELLATOR [MULTI] QUOTABLES: Heavyweight prospect Cole Konrad talks about training with Brock Lesnar and his reasons for signing with Bellator Fighting Championships
PENICK'S BLOG: First impressions of UFC Primetime: St. Pierre vs. Hardy premiere episode
UK SCENE: Michael Bisping vs. Wanderlei Silva break down from UFC 110, news briefs
ROUNDTABLE (pt. 3 of 3): Which fighters would be most intriguing to see jump from UFC to Strikeforce? Penick, Hyden, Debar, Rowland, Leet

ALSO: UFC PPV Reports: Results, analysis, fight ratings of all recent events



MMATORCH POLL

Who are you hoping gets the first shot at Brock Lesnar when he returns (among these top UFC contenders listed)?
Cain Velasquez
Frank Mir
Shane Carwin
Mirko Cro Cop
Ben Rothwell
Gabriel Gonzaga
Junior Dos Santos
Randy Couture
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueiro
  

VOTE IN OR SEE RESULTS OF PREVIOUS POLLS


ARTICLES BY CATEGORY


MMATorch Podcast
MMATORCH EXCLUSIVE: Penick's Daily Audio News Brief 3/17 (11 min.) - Rundown of the day's news including Bellator filling out their lightweight tournament, James Irvin, GSP and more
MMATORCH EXCLUSIVE: Penick's Daily Audio News Brief (13 min.) - A quick rundown of the day's news including Bellator's signing of Roger Huerta and thoughts on the still possible appearance of Jose Canseco in Strikeforce
MMATORCH EXCLUSIVE: The Audio Choke with Collins, Rowland and Shelby 03/16 (75 min.) - UFC on Versus preview, look ahead to DREAM and Bellator cards and more news
MMATORCH EXCLUSIVE: Penick's Torch Audio Update - Interview with former Strikeforce Middleweight Champion Cung Le about Scott Smith and getting back in to MMA quickly (10 min.)
MMATORCH EXCLUSIVE: The Audio Choke with Collins, Rowland and Shelby 03/09 (61 min.) - WEC 47 review, thoughts on James Toney to the UFC, Strikeforce vs. UFC on April 17th and more
MMATORCH EXCLUSIVE: The Audio Choke with Collins, Rowland and Shelby 03/02 (77 min) - Strikeforce Challengers thoughts, UFC news, rumors, upcoming Strikeforce events and more
Upcoming Events
UPCOMING EVENTS CALENDER: Upcoming Major MMA Event Dates and Locations
UFC ON VERSUS 1: VERA VS. JONES - Latest Fight Card
DREAM 13 - Latest Fight Card
STRIKEFORCE CHALLENGERS VII: JOHNSON VS. MAHE - Latest Fight Card
UFC 111: ST. PIERRE VS. HARDY - Latest Fight Card
UFC FIGHT NIGHT 21 - Latest Fight Card
MMA News
UFC NEWS: UFC no longer counter-programming Strikeforce: Nashville on CBS, rumored event a no go
STRIKEFORCE QUOTABLES: Shinya Aoki says he's coming to win the belt for DREAM and for Japan
UFC QUOTABLES: Shane Carwin says the Interim Title doesn't mean anything to him, excited to take on the "best Frank Mir we have ever seen"
DREAM NEWS: Renato "Babalu" Sobral to return to Japan for DREAM light heavyweight tournament
UFC NEWS: Pop Culture Reference - Stephen Colbert derisively references Ultimate Fighting tonight
STRIKEFORCE NEWS: Bobby Lashley expected to be added to April 17th Strikeforce: Nashville card
PPV & TV Events
WEC 47 RESULTS: Penick's live on-going coverage of Bowles vs. Cruz event on Versus
STRIKEFORCE CHALLENGERS VI RESULTS: Penick's live on-going coverage of Kaufman vs. Hashi event on Showtime
UFC 110 RESULTS: Penick's live on-going coverage of Nogueira vs. Velasquez event from Australia
KELLER'S UFC 110 LIVE BLOG: Random thoughts in chronological order - Velasquez, Nogueira, Cro Cop, Wanderlei Silva, Bisping
ENNIS'S KING OF THE CAGE VENGEANCE ON HDNET REPORT 2/12: Mike Kyle vs. Travis Wiuff headline encouraging event
MMATorch Podcast (updated): Two UFC 109 Roundtables (one hour each) available - subscribe to our podcast in iTunes Store
TV Reviews
THE ULTIMATE FIGHTER REPORT 12/2: Hyden's rundown of all the fights, all the drama on Spike TV
THE ULTIMATE FIGHTER REPORT 11/18: Hyden's rundown of all the fights, all the drama on Spike TV
THE ULTIMATE FIGHTER REPORT 11/11: Hyden's rundown of all the fights, all the drama on Spike TV
THE ULTIMATE FIGHTER REPORT 11/04: Hyden's rundown of all the fights, all the drama on Spike TV
MMATorch Presents: Zak Jensen's The Ultimate Fighter 10 Q&A Blog 10/28 - Episode seven
THE ULTIMATE FIGHTER REPORT 10/28: Hyden's rundown of all the fights, all the drama on Spike TV
Live Event Reports
STRIKEFORCE: FEDOR VS. ROGERS RESULTS 11/07: Penick's live in-person report on CBS main card
STRIKEFORCE: FEDOR VS. ROGERS RESULTS: Penick's live in-person report on Strikeforce CBS prelims
REGIONAL SPOTLIGHT: Brutaal promotions crowns new Bantamweight Champion in St. Paul, MN
REGIONAL SPOTLIGHT: Ambition's "The Crucible" tournament to bring a Strikeforce contract to one Minnesota lightweight
BENT'S UWC: CAPITAL PUNISHMENT REPORT: In attendance breakdown of 4/25 event in D.C.
BENT: All Access: Man "O" War - Live Fight by Fight Breakdown
Opinion & Analysis
ROUNDTABLE (pt. 4 of 4): What are the worst instances of a fighter receiving an unearned Title shot? Bradford, Park, Schielke
AMADI: Will fading stars in Chuck Liddell and Tito Ortiz be able to sell TUF 11?
COLUMN: At the Crossroads With Rich Franklin
READER REAX: Second batch of reader responses to question of the week: Should B.J. Penn move to Welterweight? Which fights intrigue you most?
ROUNDTABLE (pt. 3 of 4): What are the worst instances of a fighter receiving an unearned Title shot? Carter, Leet, DeBar and Penick
READER REAX: First batch of reader responses to question of the week: Should B.J. Penn move to Welterweight? Which fights intrigue you most?
Interviews
STRIKEFORCE QUOTABLES: Shinya Aoki says he's coming to win the belt for DREAM and for Japan
UFC QUOTABLES: Shane Carwin says the Interim Title doesn't mean anything to him, excited to take on the "best Frank Mir we have ever seen"
UFC QUOTABLES: Georges St. Pierre says it's a big mistake to underestimate Dan Hardy, says he performs better under pressure
UFC QUOTABLES: James Irvin discusses getting past his painkiller addiction and currently being in the happiest time of his life
UFC QUOTABLES: B.J. Penn talks a possible move to welterweight and which lightweights could take his spot
STRIKEFORCE QUOTABLES: Jake Shields discusses his dream MMA card, wanting to face GSP and the possibility of talks with the UFC
Champs & Rankings
MMATorch Staff Rankings - March 2010 with Fedor, Silva, St. Pierre, Penn topping listsMachida,
UFC 110 Prediction and Betting Contest Results
UFC 109 Prediction and Betting Contest Results
CHAMPIONS ROLL CALL - UFC: Status and Background on title reigns of B.J. Penn, Georges St. Pierre, Anderson Silva, Lyoto Machida, Brock Lesnar
UFC 108 Prediction and Betting Contest Results
UFC 107 Prediction and Betting Contest Results
Ask the Torch
Ask MMATorch: Answers to your questions about Shamrock, Half vs. Full Guard, Hammill, UFC Pay
DVD Reviews
DVD WORLD: Pride 33 "The Second Coming" - Dan "Hollywood" Henderson vs. Wanderlei "The Axe Murderer" Silva (pt. 8)
DVD WORLD: Pride 33 "The Second Coming" - Nick Diaz vs. "The Fireball Kid" Takanori Gomi (pt. 7)
DVD WORLD: Pride 33 "The Second Coming" - Alistair "Ubereem" Overeem vs. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua (pt. 6)
DVD WORLD: Pride 33 "The Second Coming" - Sergei Kharitonov vs. Mike Russow (pt. 5)
DVD WORLD: Pride 33 "The Second Coming" - Hayato "Mach" Sakurai vs. Mac Danzig (pt. 5)
DVD WORLD: Pride 33 "The Second Coming" - Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou vs. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira (pt. 4)
Torch Flashbacks
ENNIS (Flashback 2006): Pride vs. UFC: Which Aspects of Each Promotion Would You Keep?
FLASHBACK - 3 YRS AGO: Ennis's UFC 67 Report - Rampage and Cro Cop debut, Anderson Silva defends, Scott Smith, Roger Huerta
1 YR AGO - PENICK'S UFC 88 REPORT: Rashad Evans vs. Chuck Liddell, Rich Franklin vs. Matt Hamill, plus Hendo, Marquardt (w/star ratings)
FLASHBACK: Brock Lesnar's Minnesota Vikings NFL training camp coverage - 5 years ago
MITCHELL: Ultimate Fighting's very existence threatened by outside forces; should it exist? (Flashback to 1995)
INTERVIEW - RETRO: Art Davie - Dana White's predecessor discusses harsh media coverage of new sport (pt. 2 of 3)
Torch MMA Polls
INSTANT POLL: When Brock Lesnar returns, who do you hope gets the first shot at him?
POLL: How close is Randy Couture to deserving a Light-Heavyweight Title opportunity?
POLL: Are you in favor of UFC implementing official top ten lists in each division and publicizing them?
POLL: Should Dana White consider brokering deals with fighters outside of UFC for crossover promotions (such as Fedor/M1 Global)?
POLL: Pick the winner in Sunday's WEC fight between Urijah Faber and Raphael Assuncao
INSTANT POLL: Does Brett Rogers deserve a rematch against Fedor?
VIP Feature Alert
VIP - AUDIO: A look at the heavyweight division and where Cain Velasquez stacks up after his UFC 104 victory - Penick and Pelkey
Staff Picks
PENICK: Scott Coker shouldn't leave the door open for Jose Canseco
UFC NEWS FLASHBACK (2 Yrs. Ago): Dana White says EliteXC deal with CBS isn't concern to him, says Mark Cuban doesn't care about MMA
AMADI: A response to reactions on MMA matchmaking article
NOW AVAILABLE: MMATorch Sunday Livecast this weekend - 2nd edition of live Internet call-in show with Penick & Pelkey
MMATorch Interview (exclusive): Bas Rutten talks about evolution of MMA, turning points, his career choices, judging rules, more
ENNIS (Flashback 2006): Pride vs. UFC: Which Aspects of Each Promotion Would You Keep?