MMATORCH

HOME | UFC NEWS | STRIKEFORCE | BELLATOR | WEC NEWS | ALL NEWS | PPVS | TV SHOWS | COLUMNS & BLOGS | SPECIALISTS
INTERVIEWS | ROUNDTABLES | RANKINGS & CHAMPS | UPCOMING EVENTS | DVD REVIEWS | ASK THE TORCH | FLASHBACKS | POLLS
WRITERS: PENICKAMADIENNIS B. HANSEN • PELKEYMATTHEWSSUTCLIFFE PEREZLEETHYDENKELLER

We're now an Android App!
Search "mmatorch"
(We're also an iPhone App)


UGO COVERS MMA

WE'RE A PROUD UGO AFFILIATE
SINCE 1999
Read Jonathan Snowden at UGO.com


MMATORCH CATEGORY JUMP MENU




Enter "MMATorch.com" in your phone's browser to get custom mobile version of this site!

Or click here to get our MMATorch Apple App (New 11/22!)



VISIT OUR AFFILIATE SITES

PWTorch.com
PRO WRESTLING NEWS & COMMENTARY
CLICK HERE

prowrestling.net
PRO WRESTLING NEWS & COMMENTARY
CLICK HERE


Opinion & Analysis : Staff Columnists

COLUMN: The Importance of Fighter Seasoning, and the different paths of Brock Lesnar and Bobby Lashley


Jan 29, 2010 - 3:21:17 PM

By Jason Amadi, MMATorch columnist

As the sport of Mixed Martial Arts grows, we're beginning to see the entrance of more and more talented participants. Within the last three years in particular, MMA has seen a number of blue chip prospects, elite grapplers, elite strikers, and high level wrestlers, begin their careers and find mixed results. The importance of fighter seasoning has never been clearer.

As much buzz as there is over MMA in the world right now, it still doesn't get the respect that it deserves. To the untrained eye it can appear to be "two psychos fighting in a cage," but more knowledgeable fans of the sport know that is simply not the case.

When knowledgeable fans hear about pro boxers such as James Toney demanding entrance into the UFC to "expose" top MMA fighters, they usually laugh off notion of them competing at the top level. Success in individual aspects of the martial arts that comprise the dynamic sport that we've come to know today, simply don't guarantee any degree of success in MMA fights.

In the interest of this argument, I will now address the 290lb elephant in the room, (that's a pretty small elephant, I suppose), Brock Lesnar. Obviously, Lesnar is the exception and not the rule. With a record of 4-1, yes Brock Lesnar is the reigning UFC Heavyweight Champion and has dominated a number of top level competitors.

However, Brock Lesnar devotes a lot of time to his MMA career, has an amazing training camp, and is an absolutely enormous elite wrestler. Also, he was fortunate enough to suffer a loss to Frank Mir in his first fight in the UFC. An early loss exposing weaknesses is essential to every top fighter in MMA, unless your name is Fedor Emelianenko.

Through that setback Lesnar was able to put together a dominant three fight winning streak that saw him capture the championship against Randy Couture and defeat Frank Mir. However he's still fairly unproven as a champion, despite leaving a permanent mark on the sport.

A quick look at a fighter like judo black belt, Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou, is perhaps is biggest eye opener to the necessity of fighter seasoning. Early in his career, Sokodjou was thrown into deep water, and showed some swimming ability by defeating Antonio Rogerio Nogueira and Ricardo Arona in PRIDE via quick knockouts. His next fight was yet another step up in competition, as he faced Lyoto Machida and was completely dominated.

Since that fight, Sokodjou has gone on to lose to Luiz Cane, Renato Sobral, Gegard Mousasi, and Ikuhisa Minowa, all fights which he performed well in, but ultimately crumbled in due to pressure and poor cardio. Had he never taken that step up in competition, which he obviously wasn't ready for, perhaps he would have patched the aforementioned holes in his game, and be a vastly improved fighter without the 5 losses he's been handed.

Moving up in competition is a somewhat permanent decision. Gradual progression is key to maintaining fan interest while honing your skills for stiffer challenges. UFC light heavyweight prospect Jon "Bones" Jones is an excellent example of the destruction that a blend of skill and patience can impose. At 22 years old, Jones has amassed an impressive record of 9-1, with his only loss coming from a recent DQ against Matt Hamill, whom he dominated before delivering illegal elbows.

While I do appreciate prospects like "Bones" Jones, Cain Valasquez, and "King Mo" Lawal, who take their time and slowly move up the ranks, some fighters receive criticism for competing several levels below where their skills belong.

Pro wrestling and MMA superstar, Bobby Lashley, for example, has recently come under fire for allegedly "ducking" his originally proposed opponent, undefeated Shane Del Rosario (9-0-0), in favor of his currently scheduled opponent Jimmy Ambriz (14-12-1).

Prior to settling for journeyman fighter, Ambriz, Bobby Lashley agreed to fight Yohan Banks (2-1) who had trouble getting cleared to fight Lashley by the Florida State Boxing Commission. The commission's reasoning for not clearing Yohan was that they didn't feel it was a competitive fight for Lashley.

While I don't understand constant comparison between Bobby Lashley and Brock Lesnar (hey, same initials), and I certainly don't entirely condemn Lashley for wanting to ease into the sport, at 4-0 against questionable competition, a fight between Lashley and the 9-0 prospect is certainly more appealing to fans than against the 14-12-1 journeyman.

With success stories like Brock Lesnar and Joe Warren, the bar has been raised for newbie MMA participants everywhere. While there is some entertainment in seeing monstrous competitors like Alistair Overeem and Bobby Lashley crush opponents, it just isn't as impressive as it should be when the fights in which they crush their opponents are as lopsided as they usually are.

Pacing is key in MMA, and some wins like the ones Lashley and Overeem get, can feel as hollow and disappointing as the losses Sokodjou receives.

[Brock Lesnar photo by Koichi Yoshizawa (c) MMATorch]

FAVOR: Would you help MMATorch by taking a short survey to create demographic info for our ad company? CLICK HERE

ALERT: Every Tuesday night, listen to the MMATorch Livecast from 9-10:30 p.m. ET or listen now to the most recent shows by clicking here. Listen live this coming Tuesday as Jamie Penick and Matt Pelkey discuss the latest MMA happenings. Online listen at http://www.blogtalkradio.com/mmatorch or call into the show at 646-716-8090 to either just listen or participate.

CLICK HERE FOR MORE UFC NEWS AND MMATORCH EXCLUSIVE FEATURES

BECOME AN MMATORCH VIP MEMBER FOR JUST $2.99 A MONTH, ELIMINATE ALL ADS, GET EXCLUSIVE CONTENT

Help support MMATorch by answering a brief anonymous demographic survey: CLICK HERE

Comment on this article below ad...






(CLICK FOR COMMENTS RULES OR TO REPORT ABUSE)

Comments

No comments yet
*Name:
Email:
Notify me about new comments on this page
Hide my email
*Text:
Security Image:

Visual CAPTCHA


 

(CLICK FOR COMMENTS RULES OR TO REPORT ABUSE)

CLICK TO RETURN TO MAIN LISTING
OR CHOOSE SPECIFIC CATEGORY LISTING FROM DROP MENU

MORE Staff Columnists ARTICLES
MARSH: Final thoughts on James Toney heading into his UFC 118 bout against Randy Couture
WILLIAMS: Looking back at the history of "boxing vs. MMA" on the eve of Toney vs. Couture at UFC 118
AMADI: Randy Couture vs. James Toney at UFC 118 not the "freak show" fight it's being made out to be
PEREZ: The Death of Japanese MMA pt. 2 - Takanori Gomi and Yushin Okami provide a glimmer of hope with August wins
AMADI: The good, the bad, and the ugly from "Strikeforce: Houston" on Showtime
MARSH: B.J. Penn vs. Frankie Edgar II at UFC 118 the most intriguing fight of the year?
VINTAGE: Torch senior columnist Bruce Mitchell's 1995 column on the emerging curiosity that was Ultimate Fighting
HYDEN BLOG: Thoughts on Randy Couture vs. James Toney; Plus Reader Feedback
AMADI: Tough Crowd - Fickle Fan Response To Fighter Injuries Out Of Silva vs. Sonnen At UFC 117
PENICK: Georges St. Pierre vs. Anderson Silva the perfect headliner for the UFC's debut in Toronto at the Rogers Centre
HANSEN: Chael Sonnen can't get no satisfaction - constantly coming in second
MARSH: Anderson Silva was bent, but never broken, at UFC 117
PELKEY: Forecasting the Next Fight for UFC 117's Major Players
PARK: Five of the greatest comeback victories in UFC history
HYDEN BLOG: I'm Glad Anderson Silva Beat Chael Sonnen
AMADI: Say no to an immediate rematch between Anderson Silva and Chael Sonnen
THE MMA BLOWTORCH: MMA for Newbs Part Nine - Heavyweight Division Breakdown
ARNOLD: On Chael Sonnen - Only in fighting can you lie about your opponent and become a big babyface overnight
COLUMN: Why Silva-Sonnen was everything I can ask for as an MMA fan
THE MMA BLOWTORCH: Amazing UFC 117 event showcased just why we love MMA

(c) 1999-2010 TDH Communications Inc. - All rights reserved.


Staff Picks - Top Ten Articles
UK SCENE: A bad week for UK fighters capped off at UFC 118; Daley's continued dismissal and UK news in brief
THE TAPPER'S TOOLBOX: Fixing the little mistakes in your BJJ game - "How to break guard"
PARK: A look at five era-changing losses by UFC Champions following B.J. Penn's UFC 118 loss to Frankie Edgar
ALL BUSINESS: The UFC 118 and Fan Expo Live Experience - Thoughts From a Fan Who Loves This Business
PENICK: Frankie Edgar had "The Answer" for a disappointing B.J. Penn at UFC 118
PARK: Randy Couture vs. James Toney at UFC 118 reminiscent of the initial UFC event's stylistic clashes
THE TAPPER'S TOOLBOX: Fixing the little mistakes in your BJJ game - "Mistakes Beginners Make – The Butterfly Sweep"
UK SCENE: Andre Winner and Nick Osipczak weigh in on UFC 118 bouts, Pickett vs. Jorgensen thoughts and more
AMADI: The good, the bad, and the ugly from "Strikeforce: Houston" on Showtime
PENICK: Bad officiating and no drug testing at "Strikeforce: Houston" showcase issues with the Texas Athletic Commission

ALSO: UFC PPV Reports: Results, analysis, fight ratings of all recent events



MMATorch Poll

Bjorn Rebney says not all MMA fans are NFL fans. Sound off, are you a fan of one sport alone or both?
I'm a fan of MMA but not the NFL
I'm a fan of both MMA and the NFL
I'm a fan of the NFL but not MMA
  

VOTE IN OR SEE RESULTS OF PREVIOUS POLLS

Artciles By Category


Staff Picks
UK SCENE: A bad week for UK fighters capped off at UFC 118; Daley's continued dismissal and UK news in brief
THE TAPPER'S TOOLBOX: Fixing the little mistakes in your BJJ game - "How to break guard"
PARK: A look at five era-changing losses by UFC Champions following B.J. Penn's UFC 118 loss to Frankie Edgar
ALL BUSINESS: The UFC 118 and Fan Expo Live Experience - Thoughts From a Fan Who Loves This Business
PENICK: Frankie Edgar had "The Answer" for a disappointing B.J. Penn at UFC 118
PARK: Randy Couture vs. James Toney at UFC 118 reminiscent of the initial UFC event's stylistic clashes
MMATorch Podcast
MMATORCH EXCLUSIVE: The Audio Choke with Collins, Rowland and Shelby 8/31 (52 min.) - UFC 118 event review and breakdown
VINTAGE AUDIO ('95): Keller interviews Dan Severn trainer after UFC 4, going behind the scenes at early UFC event (22 min.)
MMATORCH EXCLUSIVE: The Audio Choke with Collins, Rowland and Shelby 8/24 (102 min.) - Strikeforce Houston review and UFC 118 preview
MMATORCH EXCLUSIVE: Fighters and Writers audio with Carter, Hansen and McDermott (57 min.) - UFC 117 review and discussion
MMATORCH EXCLUSIVE: The Audio Choke with Collins, Rowland and Shelby 8/10 (85 min.) - UFC 117 review, Strikeforce Challengers and WEC 50 preview
MMATORCH EXCLUSIVE: The Audio Choke with Collins, Rowland and Shelby 8/3 (104 min.) - UFC on Versus 2 review, UFC 117 preview and more!
Upcoming Events
Bellator 27, September 2
Bellator 28, September 9
Shark Fights 13, September 11
UFC Fight Night 22, September 15
Bellator 29, September 16
Bellator 30, September 23
MMA News
BELLATOR NEWS: Joe Soto says "dirt bag" Joe Warren only better than him at s*** talking ahead of Bellator 27 meeting
UFC NEWS: FightMetric named the official statistics provider of the UFC
UFC 118 SALARIES: James Toney tops disclosed payroll with $500,000 for his three minute loss to Randy Couture
UFC NEWS: Alan Belcher undergoes another eye surgery for "blurry vision"
UFC NEWS: Gabe Ruediger to get one more shot in the UFC after one-sided UFC 118 loss to Joe Lauzon
BELLATOR NEWS: Weigh-in results for Bellator Fighting Championships 27
PPV & TV Events
KELLER'S UFC 118 BLOG: Toney vs. Couture, Edgar vs. Penn... Random Thoughts in Chronological Order
UFC 118 RESULTS: Penick's live round by round report of Edgar vs. Penn II, Couture vs. Toney event from Boston
UFC 118 Prediction and Betting Contests
STRIKEFORCE: HOUSTON RESULTS - Ronaldo "Jacare" Souza captures vacant Middleweight Championship with decision win over Tim Kennedy
STRIKEFORCE: HOUSTON RESULTS - Penick's live round by round report of King Mo vs. Feijao event on Showtime
BELLATOR 25 RESULTS: Pelkey's live round by round report of Horbuckle vs. Blackburn headlined event from Chicago
TV Reviews
THE ULTIMATE FIGHTER REPORT 6/9: Hyden's (Virtual Time) rundown of all the fights, all the drama in a 2 hour episode on Spike TV
THE ULTIMATE FIGHTER REPORT 6/2: Hyden's (Virtual Time) rundown of all the fights, all the drama on Spike TV
THE ULTIMATE FIGHTER REPORT 5/26: Hyden's rundown of all the fights, all the drama on Spike TV
THE ULTIMATE FIGHTER REPORT 5/19: Hyden's (Virtual Time) rundown of all the fights, all the drama on Spike TV
THE ULTIMATE FIGHTER REPORT 5/12: Hyden's rundown of all the fights, all the drama on Spike TV
THE ULTIMATE FIGHTER REPORT 5/5: Hyden's (Virtual Time) rundown of all the fights, all the drama on Spike TV
Live Event Reports
BELLATOR 26 RESULTS: Carter's Live Report - Heavyweight, Bantamweight, and Women’s 115 lbs. Quarterfinal Tournament Bouts
STRIKEFORCE: HOUSTON RESULTS - Unaired preliminary card results for event from the Toyota Center
BELLATOR 24 RESULTS: Carter's Live Report - Season Three Debut Show
LOCAL SCENE: First round finishes abound at "Combat on Capitol Hill 2" in St. Paul, MN
LOCAL SCENE: Havoc at the Hyatt II brings good fights and controversy to Minneapolis on Saturday night
BELLATOR 21 RESULTS: Carter's Report of the Lightweight Tournament Finals
Opinion & Analysis
UK SCENE: A bad week for UK fighters capped off at UFC 118; Daley's continued dismissal and UK news in brief
ROUNDTABLE (pt. 1): What's next for B.J. Penn and Kenny Florian after their UFC 118 losses? Marsh, Hyden, Hobaugh, Leet and Hansen
THE TAPPER'S TOOLBOX: Fixing the little mistakes in your BJJ game - "How to break guard"
HYDEN BLOG: Change Can Be A Good Thing
PARK: A look at five era-changing losses by UFC Champions following B.J. Penn's UFC 118 loss to Frankie Edgar
ALL BUSINESS: The UFC 118 and Fan Expo Live Experience - Thoughts From a Fan Who Loves This Business
Interviews
STRIKEFORCE QUOTABLES: Muhammed "King Mo" Lawal says he deserved to lose to Rafael "Feijao" Cavalcante because he abandoned his gameplan
QUOTABLES: Paul Daley says UFC "God" Dana White rules the UFC with an iron rod
UFC QUOTABLES: Lightweight Champion Frankie Edgar says he's fine with fans taking time to believe in him after consecutive wins over B.J. Penn
QUOTABLES: Shaquille O'Neal says he wants to fight one MMA fight against Hong Man-Choi
BELLATOR NEWS: Travis Reddinger credits trainer Sergio Cunha for his progression; ready for "explosive" bantamweight tournament
UFC QUOTABLES: UFC welterweight and former pro boxer Marcus Davis doesn't think James Toney will be able to do anything at UFC 118
Champs & Rankings
UFC 118: Edgar vs. Penn II Prediction and Betting Contest Results
MMATorch Staff Rankings - August 2010
UFC 117 Prediction and Betting Contest Results
UFC 116: Lesnar vs. Carwin Prediction and Betting Contests Results
MMATorch Staff Rankings - July 2010
UFC 115 Prediction and Betting Contest Results
Ask the Torch
Ask MMATorch: Answers to your questions about Shamrock, Half vs. Full Guard, Hammill, UFC Pay
DVD Reviews
DVD REVIEW: "UFC: Rampage Greatest Hits" a great collection of fights for Rampage fans new and old
DVD WORLD: Pride 33 "The Second Coming" - Dan "Hollywood" Henderson vs. Wanderlei "The Axe Murderer" Silva (pt. 8)
DVD WORLD: Pride 33 "The Second Coming" - Nick Diaz vs. "The Fireball Kid" Takanori Gomi (pt. 7)
DVD WORLD: Pride 33 "The Second Coming" - Alistair "Ubereem" Overeem vs. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua (pt. 6)
DVD WORLD: Pride 33 "The Second Coming" - Sergei Kharitonov vs. Mike Russow (pt. 5)
DVD WORLD: Pride 33 "The Second Coming" - Hayato "Mach" Sakurai vs. Mac Danzig (pt. 5)
Torch Flashbacks
FLASHBACK: Keller's full fight report and more Dana White quotes on UFC's debacle of an event back in 2001
KELLER: Dana White had a night even worse than Strikeforce's on Saturday night back in 2001
FLASHBACK (3 YRS AGO): Keller's UFC 69 Report with Georges St. Pierre vs. Matt Serra, Koscheck vs. Sanchez, Huerta vs. Garcia
ENNIS (Flashback 2006): Pride vs. UFC: Which Aspects of Each Promotion Would You Keep?
FLASHBACK - 3 YRS AGO: Ennis's UFC 67 Report - Rampage and Cro Cop debut, Anderson Silva defends, Scott Smith, Roger Huerta
1 YR AGO - PENICK'S UFC 88 REPORT: Rashad Evans vs. Chuck Liddell, Rich Franklin vs. Matt Hamill, plus Hendo, Marquardt (w/star ratings)
Torch MMA Polls
MMATORCH POLL: Bellator CEO Bjorn Rebney says not all MMA fans are NFL fans. Be heard, are you a fan of one sport alone or both?
NEW MMATORCH POLL: Who should Anderson Silva face next?
POLL: Should Liddell retire or fight again? Should Cro Cop retire or fight again?
MMATORCH POLL: Which fight are you anticipating more - Lesnar vs. Carwin or Silva vs. Sonnen?
POLL: What should Paul Daley's punishment be for the post-fight cheapshot at Koscheck?
MMATORCH POLL: Who will win and how in the UFC 113 main event between Lyoto Machida and Mauricio "Shogun" Rua
Prediction and Betting Contests
UFC 118: Edgar vs. Penn II Prediction and Betting Contest Results
UFC 118 Prediction and Betting Contests
UFC 117 Prediction and Betting Contest Results
UFC 117: Silva vs. Sonnen Prediction and Betting Contests


© 1999-2010 TDH Communications Inc. • All rights reserved -- PRIVACY POLICY